The 3-inch shell was chambered originally in the famous Super Fox long-range double. - Top Rated Plus - opens in a new window or tab, - eBay Money Back Guarantee - opens in a new window or tab. This product contains chemicals known to the state of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm. Clear (Winchester Wikipedia Page) 27 Item(s) Found Page 1 1. Introduced in 20 gauge in 1912, 16 and 12 gauge guns followed in 1914. According to my source your Model 12 Winchester was made in 1924, so it is 89 years old. Included with the gun is its orig, Winchester Model 12, 28 Gauge in very good to near fine original condition. The Pitt-man-Robertson Act of 1937 began an 11 percent excise tax on sporting arms and ammunition. Also, it was the only 1 3/8-ounce magnum load available. His Super Fox 12 gauge magnum double averaged 83.7% (two-barrel average) of 1 3/8ounces of shot under the same conditions. 30" Full choke barrel. The Model 12 duck gun came to market at the all-time low point of duck populations in the United States. Beautifully figured wood is solid with only light handling marks and marks on bo, This Winchester Model 12 started life in 1924 and has been customized by unknown individual at some point. No other pump shotgun feels like the duck gun. The slide handle was enlarged in about 1956 to a slightly extended beaver tail shape with 14 circular grooves. This fine shotgun comes from the factory with a Cutts choke system, Metal surfaces rate near excellent, handling marks to wood. Charles Askins is the father of the late Colonel Charles Askins, Jr., of course. Standard markings, with matching numbers on the receiver and barrel. Including this gun, they found a total of 4 gun with a 1919 date. Action works very nicely. Firearms dont get much more iconic than John Moses Brownings legendary Auto-5 semi-auto shotgun, affectionately called the Humpback for its distinctive drop at the rear of the receiver. THE SHOTGUN HAS A 30' PLAIN BARREL AND IS FULL CHOKE. I know of a gun shop in Idaho that can take about any model 42 and put on round post ribs or solid ribs that are just like factory original with the proof marks. But the charm of idle jump-shooting is far too potent.. of a company that is committed to your satisfaction. Duck hunters bought 12-gauge doubles with 3-inch chambers to use the new Super-X magnum load, the Super Twelve as it was soon called. Madis states Winchester spent a great deal of time and effort to develop better chokes. Furthermore, Winchester constantly experimented, searching for improvements in all chokes, even the old standby full choke. Winchester almost certainly would have perfected their Full-choke Model 12 duck gun to maximize patterns with #4 lead shot, the size most mentioned for long-range duck shooting in publications prior to the advent of non-toxic shot. Model 12 duck guns had the same six-shot capacity as the standard Model 12: one in the chamber, five in the magazine. only one I have ever seen unless TS member owns one? Delivery times may vary, especially during peak periods. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Has a Cutz on the end of the barrel. It is first shooting light. The new 1935-style buttstock featured a closer and fuller pistol grip. I included tungsten polymer shot because it is non-toxic to waterfowl and has the same density as lead. There are Simmons marketed guns with proper Winchester proof marks. Classic Browning Light Twelve Auto-5 Review: Busting Clays With the Old Humpback Shotgun. Smith & Wesson Model 586: Reviewing A .357 Revolver With Class. the ventilated rib is by simmons gin works. This is not John Waynes revolver it is a modern work of art! It is the skeet style of stock with a comb drop of 1 1/2 2 1/2 inches, and a 14-inch length, butt to trigger. Contact us if you need an add on vent rib for your shotgun or order your Simmons ventilated rib barrel today! The first was helping the gunsmiths. Westerns copper-plated shot, introduced about 1925, extended shotgun range even further. Thanks= Re-Up- forgot the offset marks on a factory ribbed gun- two of my 5 pre-1950 M12's have the factory solid rib, and the 1948 Pigeon Trap has the "Old Milled Rib" with the sandblast bulled top and the "Duck-Billed" rib extension. The Model 12 duck guns are still as suitable for waterfowl passes, fox trails or the habitat of the wary gobbler as they were when the duck hunters at Winchester surprised the market in 1935. In their view, the Model 12 pump with 3-inch chamber was likely to sell better than a similarly chambered Model 21 double. When I went to the university in a different town I worked for another gun shop that was an authorized Winchester Repair Center. Buckingham recorded his adventures in some of the best hunting stories ever written. 1937 2pin vent rib offerd, all skeet grade guns offerd with solid or plain barrels. During that time they largely made the right business decisions, hired the right people, and enjoyed a fair share of luck. WINCHESTER MODEL 12 HEAVY DUCK GUN 30" SIMMONS VENT RIB 1953 PRE-64 RARE 12 GA. MAGNUM 3" EDITION PROOF MARKING - 12 GAUGE MAGNUM - 5 - 30 " The short shot string put more shot into a duck whistling by at 50 yards. Ernie Simmons had a close relationship with Winchester & John Olin; if you find any NSSA ,ATA, Field & Stream and Sports Afield magazines pre-war and post war you'll find he sold plenty of Winchesters out of his gun shop and attended many shoots selling target guns. Both guns averaged 80% or better patterns with all loads of #4 shot. We need to talk model 12's sometime. Thereafter, a staggering number of variations were produced during the 1912-1980 period. Title. This is a 12 GA pump shotgun manufactured in 1950. It was a little rough so I am doing a restoration. Winchester Model 12 12 ga 30 in Barrel 2 3/4" Full vent rib Barrel NICE! bolt act. In an ad in the October 1952 American Rifleman, Winchester proclaimed. Gun Digest editors know guns so you know guns. 1935 3" magnum offerd, will convert all 12 gages if wanted to 3" magnums, the begining of the long forcing cone. Although the quality of the rib will be the same as the original Winchester, the only way a Simmons rib looks OK on a Model 12 is if they DON'T put their silly name down the side of the rib. Loose bolts and excess head-space occur only after long service. Serial numbers match on barrel and receiver. Must be shipped to an FFL, New price, Listed is a like new Winchester DU, Model-12, 12 Ga Pump Shotgun. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Simmons vent rib installed. When winchester changed the chamber to 3" did they mark the barrels or reproof? There is a moderate mark as shown in the photograph. Winchester Model 12 in 16 ga with a 26" barrel with a full choke. becouse plain barrels shoot higher than solid ribs do ,solid ribs shoot flatter. Checkered semi-fancy walnut pistol grip stock with extended forearm and a solid Winchester recoil pad. The duck gun version of the Model 12, introduced in 1935, was a natural consequence of duck hunters in charge of Winchester. 30 Barrel. But for some reason, buying a gun online can No. says Madis. The straighter stock reduced perceived recoil. I am tempted to stop off awhile and call. IC CHOKED MIROKU MADE. Like new with a mark on the top of th, Winchester Model 21 Heavy Duck, 12ga, 30" barrels, solid rib, 3" mag. , Winchester - Model 12, Deluxe, Pump Action, RARE 28ga. winchester model 12 heavy duck gun 30" simmons vent rib 1953 pre-64 rare 12 ga. magnum 3" edition proof marking - 12 gauge magnum - 5 - 30 " Winchester ~ Model 12 Custom~ 12 GA Used Guns. , Excellent Winchester Model 12 12 gauge Deluxe Skeet gun with factory issued Cutts Compensator. Some patterns of #4 shot might let a duck escape if it were caught just inside the margin of the 30-inch circle. I was at a local gunshop this morning and was looking at a model 12 2-3/4" that had a Simmons rib. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. The buttstock was reshaped on Model 12 shotguns again in the mid-1950s. There is some difference in what they say but are good reference. Enthusiastic hunters bought the new repeater. According to the Serial# 1439865, and Winchester manufacturing records, this gun w. 12ga, #366988, 30 inch barrel, 2 1/2 inch chamber, full choke, solid rib, blue finish, straight grip checkered walnut stock, checkered walnut forearm, 13 3/4 LOP with "newer" Winchester pad, 12ga, #1417110, 30 inch barrel, 3 inch chamber, full choke, blue finish, walnut stock and forearm, solid rib, original red rubber pad, 1954. I believe the solid ribs were soft (lead) soldered like the model 21's. Winchester Model 12 Skeet Gun 12 gauge with 25" Solid Rib Barrel - 12 GA: 0 1d 7h 25m 17240921. The earliest Simmons catalog I ever found was 1949 when Ernie began advertising his "Special vent rib" which was the "Dounut Post". But it would be my guess that the wood has been refinished and the gun has been reblued. For small bores, there are still new factory wood sets available. The gun looked to be in excellent condition except some nitwit had inlayed a white plastic diamond in the stock at some point. The takedown joints are tight (See the instructions in Madis book if your Model 12 has a loose take-down joint). I was glad to see this as I know for a fact that while many weren't done, they did indeed do some. 30" Vent Rib Excellent White Front . Westerns innovation was progressive-burning powder that deformed fewer shot during acceleration. Buy Winchester model 12 26" vent rib poly choke barrel: GunBroker is the largest seller of Pump Action Shotguns Shotguns Guns & Firearms All: 973937149 . Winchester Model 12 16 ga NIB Never Assembled! Thanks for the reference. There are currently no customer product questions on this lot. It's what was refered to as a "Olympic Rib". The latest 2-pin rib gun researched has a serial number of 19114xx with a date of August 26th, 1960. Ronald Stadt states in Winchester Shotguns and Shot-shells: All Winchester special ventilated rib magnum guns examined have sand-blasted receiver tops. Solid ribs were offered until the mid-1950s, except as noted by Stadt: The 1960 wholesale-retail catalog listed 30-inch solid rib pidgeon magnums. Many online gun sales actually take away from your local , The Winchester Model 12 Y series was introduced in 1972 and made until about 1984. 80 of 1916 indicates seven empty 12-gauge paper shell lengths (2-1/2 to 3-1/4 inches). These were called long-range waterfowl guns.. Free shipping for many products! A lot of us will have to begin learning to hit long-range ducks. Sounds like an invitation to join the long-range duck hunting cult! I pick them up through the interlacing covert, a bunch of suspicious mallards driving for safety. The Model 21 received duck gun status in 1940, although 3-inch chambers could be ordered earlier. It has a Simmons rib, which is not out of the question for Winchester to have used according to Maddis in his book of the model 12's. The metal finish is superior to a field grade gun, higher polish and a matted receiver top and magazine tube. The deeply blued barrel and receiver frame are very good. Reduced bag limits and shell capacities for repeating shotguns were introduced. Emphasis was placed on loads of #4 shot because of its historical significance in waterfowl hunting and association with the long-range objectives of the Model 12 duck gun. "Metal parts of the Model 12 are machined from chrome-molybdenum, the toughest, longest wearing and finest gun steel known." Barrel lengths were 30 or 32 inches, but 32-inch barrels were discontinued in 1948. Severe drought conditions gripped the United States and Canada during the 1930s. so recall pads helped and they offerd hydro coil-stocks. Shooting the Model 12 Duck Gun I own two Model 12 duck guns. It is not as slow or pokey as one might expect. The staff shot skeet with the gun and concluded It is not as fast as the standard Model-12, but nearly so., In further shooting tests the staff found We could not discern any practical difference in recoil effect when shooting standard three inch heavy duck loads. Winchester supplied two boxes of 3-inch shells loaded with 1 3/8-ounces of #5 chilled shot pushed by four drams equivalent of powder. The silhouette provides a precise aiming point. It has a fiber optic front sight which is not origina, SOLD Ser no 1949422, Mfg 1962, 3-Pin Vent Rib, Full, 30" Barrel, Signed by M Dubber, Who I beleive was a colt engraver, 14 1/2" Lop to Winchester Red Vented Pad, Comes with case, Excel, Winchester Custom Model 12 20ga 2 3/4" 28" full choke barrel,Simmons vent rib,serial #683559,fancy French Walnut checkered stocks with great color and figure,jeweled bolt and lifter,ex, WINCHESTER MODEL 12 HEAVY DUCK 12GA 3" MAGNUM. Winchester Model 12 16Ga Pump Shotgun 28" Excellent condition Made in 1939 Gun #: 903285649 Seller: JerArms GA Sales: 60 $872.00 Full Details More from this Seller 1 Image (s) Winston Churchill custom Winchester Model 12 Pigeon 20 gauge, gold relief, staggering wood, provenan. The original "Old milled rib" was developed by Winchester in the 1920's- but like so many of the older quality features, post WW11 competition by Remington and Ithaca made Olin-Winchester more "cost concerned"-- Many Model 12's were equipped with Simmons ribs afterwards, some were sent to New Haven by Simmons, and some Model 12's (and others . I hope this helps you out A forum community dedicated to Shotgun owners and enthusiasts including the Remington, Beretta, and Mossberg shotguns brands. Winchester sent some M-12s to Simmons to have ribs installed, Simmons returned them to Win. Recent 3 1/2-inch 12-gauge shells will create dangerous pressure in the 3-inch duck gun chamber. It is possible for the slide lock to fail to unlock the action during recoil. Popularly named the Perfect Repeater at its introduction, it largely set the standard for pump action shotguns over its 51-year high-rate production life. You jack the shell out and it goes off under your nose. The Model 12 shotgun, initially the Model 1912, hit the market in August 1912. Teal, mallard, widgeon and sprig [pintail] hover singly and in bunches overhead. Everything functions as it should. The locked breech bolts of both guns have little perceptible play when the rear of the bolt is pressed from the side. An 80% pattern they felt should make it a real 60-yard outfit with No. The new Model 12 duck gun was introduced to long-range waterfowl hunters habituated to heavy double shotguns chambered for 3-inch shells. Note: The posting of Copyrighted material on this forum is prohibited without Rib Boat, Winchester Winchester Rifle Parts, 12 in Frame 12 in Wheel Electric Bikes, 12 Gauge Barrels, Youth Football Rib Protector . Very good condition overall. Free Shipping, No Credit Card Fees. - for PayPal Credit, opens in a new window or tab, about earning points with eBay Mastercard, Report this item - opens in new window or tab. The 12 month average price is $622.51 new and $661.18 used. The pidgeon-grade duck gun was discontinued in 1961. Most annoying was the failure of the action-slide lock to function properly. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. It was Western that produced the 3 1/2-inch 10-gauge magnum with 2 ounces of shot in 1932. Winchester Model 42 Slide Action Shotgun with Simmons Vent RibManufactured in 1952. Regards Chuck. The late style stock featured a flared pistol grip moved back a bit from the trigger. Thats like spending 12 days straight day and night. This is a shotgun I should never have sold. Winchester was bankrupt and went into receivership in January 1931. Actually, it is generally thought by researchers that no Winchester factory Model 12 ribs were made or installed by Simmons. In those good old days of the 1960s the ducks flew just above the cattails and shots were plentiful. However, the Model 12 duck gun should still be an excellent long-range waterfowl shotgun with the right ammunition. Both shotguns shot to point of aim and all patterns were contained on the target paper due to precise aiming, facilitated by placing a 25-pound sack of lead shot between me and the gun butt. Askins wrote in his 1929 book Modern Shotguns and Loads: Perhaps half the game that is killed in America today is shot with repeating shotguns, pump or automatic. Interchangeable barrels (forend assembly) for 2 3/4-inch shells and choke of choice were special order. I am planning on shooting it at the Grand Nostalgia shoot. John Olin wanted a new 3-inch .410 shotshell with 3/4-ounce of shot for Winchesters new Model 42. Full choke was the only standard boring available. Rudy was well known with model 12' s and pre-64 model 70's now as far a Felix, he's in a better place now. A Simmons Rib has been added to the barrel and the metal was refinished. The standard 12-gauge duck load in 1921 was a 2 3/4-inch shell holding 3 3/4-drams equivalent powder and 1 1/4-ounces of shot. Open Fullscreen. We have a Item. Winchester Model 12 Pigeon 28 Gauge Single Family Owned Since 1967, Vent. Stock has a Monte Carlo cheekpiece and European pistol grip with a right hand palm swell. The Model 12 was the first magazine repeater chambered for 3-inch magnum shells. Charles Askins, in an article entitled Long Range Shotguns in the January 1930 issue of the American Rifleman, concludes that a 12-gauge magnum with 1 3/8-ounces of shot, patterning 80% or better is pretty reliable [on ducks] at 65 yards. However, Askins goes on to say I have never, personally, had a shotgun which would reach far enough. Before the eight gauge was banned in 1918, Askins had a Greener eight-gauge double with 36-inch barrels weighing 13 pounds. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Winchester Model 12 Shotguns For Sale Shotgun Winchester Model 12. Writing in the March 1927 issue of the American Rifleman, Askins reports that his Remington Model 10 12-gauge pump averaged 89% of 1 1/4-ounces of shot in a 3-inch circle at 40 yards. Sold them when we down sized to a smaller house that did not have a custom built safe room in it like the old house. Featherweight: same as above; lightweight alloy trigger guard. The Nylon 66, a relatively inexpensive rimfire with faux woodgrain, was the first successful synthetic-stock firearm. Winchester proof steel is chrome-molybdenum steel. The Model 21 double seemed the reasonable choice for Winchesters duck gun. Smith brand, by the A.H. Fox Company of Philadelphia, by Parker, and by Ithaca. Can you help me out? The trap load was included because trap shooting is suited to the duck gun. at the best online prices at eBay! Dolphin717, please give us a page reference in Stadt where he mentions Simmons sending Model 12s with ribs back to Winchester for finishing, and/or marketing. during that time I handled many M-12's of varying configurations. Simmons also removed Solid Ribs from barrels and added his rib to those barrels. Checkered stocks and extension slide handles were available as options on the standard grade throughout most of the duck guns production. $899.97. S/N 1,589,*** made in 1954. Sales of 100,000 were recorded in the first two years of production. FORE ARM HAS A PEICE OF WOOD MI, This is an all original 1962 made Winchester Model 12 in the harder to find 16 Gauge. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Winchester Model 12 12 ga 30 in Barrel 2 3/4" Full vent rib Barrel NICE! 14" LOP OVER THE ORIGINAL W, Up for sale I have a 100% NIB Winchester model 12 chambered in 16ga. Model 12 was offered in several different styles: 1. And for this reason the spike in prices for the forty two will go back down becouse there is a alternative that is for sure and safe and they know all the things that people look for to see if it came from the winchester factory. Its even harder to find a 2-barrel set 16 gauge. Save my name and email to use for future comments. President Roosevelt signed the law limiting magazine repeaters to three shells for migratory game bird hunting in 1935. BARREL 30" CHOKE FULL 90% FACTORY BLUE ORIGINAL FACTORY HEAVY DUCK RECOIL PAD WOOD VERY GOOD. Every once in a while a Model 12 comes through our club with a high Moneymaker rib like that.
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